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Poor Archie.  Vampires (and Solifidians in general) tend to be a bit more violent, so a slap in the face or other "minor" attacks aren't considered a huge deal.  Plus Carmine is of fairly sound mind (despite her dramatics and paranoia)and not a lot of political ambition, so she is a more favored subject, even is she and Mina don't see eye-to-eye on most things.  She can get away with things like disrespecting the second in command because there's no danger of her staging a serious coup attempt.

I know that because of my background in teaching, I'm fairly conservative when it comes to professional dress (god save me from teenage boys).  It seems that most people felt that Archie was right in correcting here, but I still feel better with the ending of the conversation posted too.

Poor Joan is having a hard time getting a read on Archie.  Is he being friendly?  Is he being menacing?  The toothy smile and facial tattoos are making things difficult.  Hearing that Drake wont be around for a while is doing nothing for her nerves.

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daidaishar, 20 Feb 2015 09:46 pm


A bonus update this week in response to a very generous donation of $20.

Poor Archie. Vampires (and Solifidians in general) tend to be a bit more violent, so a slap in the face or other "minor" attacks aren't considered a huge deal. Plus Carmine is of fairly sound mind (despite her dramatics and paranoia)and despite her popularity, does not have a lot of political ambition. She is a more favored subject, even if she and Mina don't see eye-to-eye on most things. She can get away with things like disrespecting the second in command because there's no danger of her staging a serious coup attempt.

I know that because of my background in teaching, I'm fairly conservative when it comes to professional dress (god save me from teenage boys). Most people seemed to agree that she isn't dressed professionally, but what made me more worried about the scene wasn't Archie correcting her, but him physically zipping up her shirt. I feel better about it with this page uploaded too.

Poor Joan is having a hard time getting a read on Archie. Is he being friendly? Is he being menacing? The toothy smile and facial tattoos are making things difficult. Hearing that Drake wont be around for a while is doing nothing for her nerves.

replies:

re KermitsGirl: I'm glad is didn't come across as "slut shaming" I was worried that Carmine's whole character can kind of be taken in that way, but because of the role stories play in shaping Solifidians I also wanted to have that element of their characterization represented.

re pfmoi: I would agree that what is considered appropriate dress is a dicey issue. If he was critiquing her for dressing like that in general, I would agree that that is sexist. When it comes to professional dress I think things are a little more complicated. Like I said, I'm aware that I'm a little more conservative in my sensibilities, mainly because I teach and having to worry about showing any skin when leaning over to help a student is not something I want to worry about. On the other hand, I feel like it's generally accepted that part of professionalism is not only behaving, but dressing appropriately for the work. What exactly is "appropriate" can be tricky (and is greatly determined by the work environment), but I think if I saw someone dressed like Carmine in a business meeting, I'd probably judge them for it. Actually calling them out on it, or touching them to correct it like Archie does is way out of line. That was more where my concern about his actions came from.

re man in black: and lighter and cheaper.

re Eva Emaria: This is true. There are also a few male vampies that need reminding to wear shirts. Archie is a hair's breath away from just running around formal events with a box of shirts.

re Kadtie: Archie can flip flop quite rapidly between friendly and threatening.

re StellaFrost: He does try. Doesn't seem to be making much progress in correcting Carmine's behavior.

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StellaFrost, 21 Feb 2015 02:03 pm


Well, Archie certainly is friendly.

If I were Joan, I'd be more concerned about how OTHER Solifidians will react around her... Archie is being friendly, and Mina tolerated her, but I'm not sure the other guests will be so nice.

man in black, 21 Feb 2015 07:10 pm


that's a lesson for everyone, Never wake a sleeping dragon

Eva Emaria, 21 Feb 2015 10:28 pm


Poor Archie. I know I can be really conservative, so I'd probably be right there with him.

...Considering how I've dressed the swan maidens, I'm going to take a flying leap and say Eira and her entourage (or at least some of them) are some of those guests that Archie is concerned about. XD And he seems to be a bit of a cheerful chatterbox. This amuses me, and I agree with Joan. It's just weird to put that with the face tattoos for some reason...

Arrikanez, 21 Feb 2015 10:51 pm


Aylis: I am very tempted to make a "sleeping dogs lie" joke just about here, but I think I will refrain in the interest of keeping my head attached to my body. >>;

pfmoi, 22 Feb 2015 10:48 am


Well, I was more referring to his actions as well, because professional dress is certainly important, and people do make assumptions based on how people dress, but we have no way of knowing the atmosphere of the meeting. I was much more under the impression that it was something like a royal court gathering, where showing off and demonstrating your power and status is more the point, than a business meeting, where your power and status is assumed and the point is actually the opics at hand.

I appreciate the fact that Archie got a good smack in the face for what he did, even if the gesture doesn't mean as much to their culture as it does to ours, and I also don't know his relationship with Carmine. Because obviously, you can get away with more with people you're closer to.

Basically, this page cleared up a lot of concerns I had on the previous page.

Onasaki, 24 Feb 2015 04:40 am


The forum thinger is hilariously amusing. (I think Daidasher created it learn how we, as people-fans perceive the champions we entered, in order to know how to write them later)

That being said, yes, Don't Wake the Dragon.

Mina_Lunga, 24 Feb 2015 10:02 pm


Archie definitely deserved a slap for zipping up a woman's shirt - and it also made me think that they are very, very good friends for him to try a stunt like that. Poor Joan was probably looking for the restroom, and is now in the unenviable situation of trying to talk to a vampire about running water.

Kadtie, 27 Feb 2015 09:10 pm


I teach (sort of) too in a charter school as a paraprofessional. It is weird to get looks from the sixth grade and middle school boys. Whenever we have big school-wide trainings the administration is always going on about professional dress, so I've developed my style for the past several years off of the desire to not be ogled by teenage boys.

I probably would have slapped Archie as well if put in a similar situation. Inappropriate, yes. Sexist, no.

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